" I'm Bryan Webber doctor Paul Pacman is a psychologist who's been a pioneer in the study of human emotions and the relation to facial expressions were please be joined by doctor Pacman. -- you've been studying people's facial expressions or body movements more than five decades how did you get started in the field."

" Well -- really got started. Are trying to understand cycle therapy. And then trying to understand help identify. People who are at risk pursuers -- So that's what got me started looking for whether there were clues in demeanor and his party or east gestures -- words themselves. That cruise look beneath. The surface and I identify. -- people we're pretty sure."

" you Alex Rodriguez as an example what was the most glaring tell exhibited by A-Rod the -- you saw."

" There work for a things that occurred. At a fight scene. -- Not being truthful. The first week hole. A gesture -- It's the equivalent of his recruitment arm but it -- gesture. And we all know or -- looks like. What is not a Muslim people or race. Both shoulders apply but what -- slip until -- frightening. In what he did at least recharge. Was -- just read -- shoulder quickly not too long and drop that particular song which will be written about it number of times. Is one. That we never made -- I would never had a case restore but he sure did and they are being truthful. And the second thing he didn't let it -- He was asked -- taking drugs that's -- good to resist slightly had no idea. Another gesture -- the third -- needed a little less certain about. Could you can have more than one meaning he sort of micro expression of the year he is that -- horizontal stretch very quickly. But if you under suspicion. You can be afraid be court even accurate. Or doesn't tell us whether or. Countless that you're scared. The last thing which is also little ambiguous. Is that he frequently. -- micro expressions. Of contempt. -- manifest it is very. Quick -- one quarter here now. Market can't occurs when you fueled -- Better person your torque -- They had not that the quite enough and there's highlight true it is congress. If he would ask me for advice. He would comfortably. And this that I did this certain that the evidence is out and it is safer for -- do the united anymore. -- I go about doing it I would not have chosen to do it to win it. Although it is I -- you're still making any excuses. And say look things are different than. Okay I'm not certain words. Majors and I just can't force -- it seems extremely apologetic. Practice your life Manchurian must have practiced forgiveness. He to a man could've or have or coach. That we are more predicting of people who make no excuses he was not only today. Which raises people's suspicions. I made a lot of excuses. For why he did what he did -- and really rule because everybody was doing their rules were clear. That's. Authorities say if you read particular crime. As Scotland city is tailing your ask people's --"

" There's a -- called lied to me based on your technique how the program come about."

" Without the executive. Producer. Brian grazer. I'm really read about my work book by Malcolm Glazer Malcolm Gladwell. And met with means that I kind of find a way so excited I have kind of -- if it's on television. In two years later he told me I've got a writer. -- about my admit that greater and I was convinced that he would do as serious and not schlock job. And I've been working news scientific adviser. -- Scripps occasionally giving advice to actors and writing weekly commentary. On fox he needs. We're excited about the true spirit reminds me so. I think they've managed to do. -- and entertainment. And that people learn something."

" Doctor Beckman thanks for the -- eyes more news scores and highlights keep a log on the foxsports.com. I'm Bryan Webber truthfully will he next."