" This is Ken Rosenthal of fox sports dot -- I would need to members of the giant NL west rival the other day. -- One was did the Giants were going to contend to -- because of the strength of their starting pitching. The other player however said. They're not going to contend their offense simply is not good enough. In that conversation kind of stone where the 2009. -- are entering this season. Is little doubt -- is going to be very. And then -- come back pain Randy Johnson coming over the course Barry Zito is still there. The bullpen also should be very good Brian -- from the backhand to invite to create your Apatow and Bob Howry. The real question is -- and giant colon to score -- run. There really isn't a very strong operative player in -- next that's one reason why the Giants at least entertain the idea of signing Manny Ramirez. Got Aaron Rowand and cut that you Molina. Edgar Renteria coming over now to try to revive his career. But really what the Giants are about offensively. Trying to find out which of the young players are keepers. Travis is a -- at first they had to -- explain pop rock band evolved -- the keeper whether it's at third base was someplace to help. Of course the Giants also want to look at Manny bird and some of the other youngsters in their camp going well. Some people believe that would support her breakout year. Well the Giants are going to need it be one player to have that year because offensively they look out. The good news is they're playing in division where all the Dodgers look like a very own team. Giants will be in the -- somehow this season how deeply the egos are contending. Depends on how their opted reforms."