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Frank there's only thirty GMs in the world you're one of the special thirty. But let's take our viewers. On how frank brands road was like.

Well hit it below their -- that I -- the young never. Bought never really had any desire to go to the front office in baseball. When I started out I start out as a player assigned after my freshman -- Chicago Montreal. And I played five years I had a brain tumor and I had a brain tumor and had surgery and Bob Gebhardt was the field director -- Montreal. And Gibbs came to visiting the hospital they said. You know when you get out would you wanna be a coach during your rehab this summer -- got it surgery spring training. And I Seattle occupant of like they catch the game and so I went to our effort our hospital was able to rehab I went to Jamestown, New York with pat Doherty. And that was -- Rookie manager when I first signed in and we are in very close. And I loved coaching and then when I left instructional league is that what you back a day out as a player of the next spring. So I came back the next spring as a player. And I just didn't I didn't read over what I didn't -- could not react at the plate. So about halfway in the season get called me and that are you greatest -- coaching full time and an eighty. Or in instructional league I was gonna start managing the games -- club following year. And Montreal lost one of their -- it's the Calgary club was drafted to triple -- for Seattle and so we lost that affiliate which I was gonna managed and -- I -- talk other clubs about what I did more coaching or don't want to start managing and I had some offers. And so you have came back to means that would like -- general manager games and the work. As again I have no interest in that whatsoever. As I wanna stay on the field I -- my cap to the big leagues as a coach or manager. And I he was very persuasive when asked me to call people I trusted -- game and so long story short I became the general manager that summer I didn't player development as a player for five years -- coach and for four years. And then I make general managers are now -- scouting director Gary Hughes and I learned that in that it and a year or so into it Gary NDE. Turning -- one of the national prospectors are assistant scouting director national cross checker. Then Dave Dombrowski came. To Montreal from the White Sox that he asked me to get involved in Latin America so an 8788. I was assistant scouting director cross checking and I became director of Latin American scouting. And learn Spanish and I spent the next several years doing a lot of work Latin America that in 91. Seven of us went to start the Florida Marlins as an expansion franchise and I went from. I've just got excited being assistant general manager and so I was just in general manager for eight years but -- you -- see yet that has had a lot of different. That's a -- away which gained media a lot of experience a lot of areas what's been very valuable. To this point.

Let's talk about next week next week on the show when I talk about big market -- Versus small market because the truth is they're two totally separate shops but before -- get one. Think well against -- Yeah that's -- speed wouldn't you rather than negotiate.